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Bull Eramix Mimidae Risk Solutions 0	Posted - 2011.10.27 12:47:00 - [1] - Quote There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode
Bull Eramix Mimidae Risk Solutions 0	Posted - 2011.10.27 12:48:00 - [2] - Quote Zoe Alarhun wrote: The agility isn't getting nerfed. The stat called agility in the dump refers to inertia modifier - higher IM the better. Also new BC's have way less tank by the looks of it (half or third as much depending on ship and fittings). Also no drones to help defend against smaller ships. so put down the keyboard and step away from the computer and take a deep breath. Are you sure? From: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Acceleration "There are two attributes which determine how quickly a ship accelerates; mass and an Inertial Modifiers, both of which can be helped using an Inertia Stabilizer on your ship. The product of mass and the inertia stabilizer values gives the ship's agility which determines how quickly the ship accelerates (and thus how quickly it turns); lower values imply better acceleration and turning speed." Tech II Inertia Stab from: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Inertia_Stabilizers_II -20% to Inertia modifier Within a class you can compare as ships have closer masses. Between classes IM is a 'fudge factor' adjusting the ships mass' to the desired agilities.
Bull Eramix Mimidae Risk Solutions 0	Posted - 2011.10.27 14:02:00 - [3] - Quote Zoe Alarhun wrote: Compare a thorax to a stabber - thorax has higher IM. but the stabber is more agile - It's due to the increase in mass over stabber. If you look at all the high speed frigates they have IM stats over 4. EDIT - I realize that fitting I stabs in game brings the modifier down. I 'm looking at it from the info dump perspective where high value = better. I don't understand where you reach that conclusion from. The agilities in the info dump correspond to the existing inertia modifiers in game. Lower inertia numbers mean a better acceleration when everything else is the same. The Stabber is more agile because is has a higher max velocity, and a lower IM. If the thorax is plated the stabber may also receive the mass advantage. The reason the frigates have higher IMs is to actually slow them down relative to their low mass, and high max velocities. IM's can't be compared between hull sizes due to the huge mass differences. I also ran some numbers on base stats to see what the effects would be, speeds from 0 in .5 second intervals DISCLAIMER: I realize these numbers aren't final, but it was a good exercise in how the numbers impacted things. Formula form the WIKI Vt = Vmax * (1 - e^(-t * 10^6 / (I*M) ) MATHS: Thorax Thorax w/o speed change New Thorax Stabber V Max 170 170 180 231 IM (agility)0.585 0.61425 0.61425 0.48 M 1128000011280000 11280000 11400000 time (s) velocity 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.5 12.41 11.84 12.53 20.17 1 23.91 22.85 24.19 38.58 1.5 34.57 33.09 35.04 55.38 2 44.45 42.62 45.13 70.72 2.5 53.61 51.49 54.52 84.72 3 62.10 59.74 63.26 97.49 3.5 69.98 67.42 71.38 109.15 4 77.28 74.56 78.95 119.79 4.5 84.04 81.21 85.98 129.50 5 90.31 87.39 92.53 138.36 Summary: Without the top speed changes the new thorax would be slower, however, with them, they will get a slight boost to their speeds at any given time. Granted I'm not sure how turning works and the impact of the higher IM here. It also looks like they will be slower to align out since the 75% of max velocity is the warp point. The stabber still travels 40% faster after 5 seconds, so you wont be wanting to drag race any of them. I apologize for the formatting, it should be exportable to excel as space delimited however.

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